Topic detail page
Previous page
Showing posts 1 to 23 of 23
New roadside cameras in Trafford
Topic posted by AnotherPete ... dated:28 September 2011
Has anybody else spotted these?  There are two on Bridgewater Way (one set at either end), one on Chester Road near the Davyhulme Road junction, and another set on Parkway.  They aren't speed cameras but are ANPR (automatic number plate recognition) cameras, apparently erected by the police for various reasons including security for the Olympics!  I've no doubt they'll stay long after then though. 
 
More information and plans here.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:02 October 2011
"The satellite and computer wouldn't be bothered if your car was racing round and round at 150mph on a racetrack on private land."
 
Unless, of course, the co-ordinates were slightly wrong or the data-quality of the positional data was poor, or human error had crept into any part of the process. But, as we never hear of any stories of Sat-Navs asking drivers to drive over the sea or into a ditch, we should be fine. 
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:02 October 2011
Yes Ed, I used to watch Star Trek every week.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Ed ... dated:02 October 2011
'What about the man power, who is going to be tracking millions of cars 24 hrs a day? There no sense behind these suggestions.'
 
Ever heard of computers Divad?
 
Car tracking makes sense and is very possible. There are no privacy worries as roads are public spaces. The satellite and computer wouldn't be bothered if your car was racing round and round at 150mph on a racetrack on private land.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:01 October 2011
Until the insurance companies and DVLA can provide instantly updated information to the police when they wish to check details, the prospect of thousands of motorists with valid insurance (but recently renewed) having their vehicles confiscated and left to make their own way home is one which we need to think about. 
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Seethin ... dated:30 September 2011
Hello peeps, here's an idea for them, when you don't pay your mobile phone bill it gets blocked
 until you pay your bill yes? Well why don't they use this tech on the new cars, if no tax, insurance, MOT, it gets blocked so you can't start your car then that will keep them off the road. Simples LOL if only.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:30 September 2011
What about the man power, who is going to be tracking millions of cars 24 hrs a day? There no sense behind these suggestions.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Ed ... dated:30 September 2011
If cameras were mobile and hidden then only a few would be required. Motorists would always be taking a chance of a fine.
 
How to pay for cameras is easy. Simply increase fines to cover all the cost of them if there's any shortfall.
 
As for satellite tracking, the satellites are already up there. All that would be needed would be a law requiring all cars to be fitted with something for them to track, which would probably cost next to nothing.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Tom ... dated:30 September 2011
This is an exercise for keeping track of vehicles, nothing more.  Remember the M60 congestion charge rubbish?
 
As for keeping illegal cars off the road, I have a much simpler solution.  Get rid of VED, add the difference to fuel duty.  Then ensure a fund exists to give all motorists and cars a basic legal minimum third-party cover, just like we have with the NHS.  It then becomes the motorist's choice if he wants to upgrade his insurance.
 
But it's far too simple a solution for our politicians, plus it would put thousands of DVLA twonks on the dole (that's a few less votes), so we can't have that, can we? 
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:30 September 2011
Satellites, ANPR, camera's in cats eyes? Urmston can't afford one policemen sitting at a desk on the high street.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by DavidU ... dated:30 September 2011
Ed, all right in theory but it would cost a bomb to equip all public roads. Who would pick up the tab?
 
Stewby, the system might monitor the usage of untaxed and uninsured vehicles but it would not physically prevent them being used.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Ed ... dated:29 September 2011
Stewby makes a good point.
 
As far as it is possible, why shouldn't all public roads be constantly monitored by ANPR and satellite tracking?
 
I'm all for privacy, but public roads are just that, public. Nobody has a right to privacy on public property. If you do anything in public why complain if anyone holds you to account for it?
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Stewby ... dated:29 September 2011
I wish ALL Police cars and beat cops had the ANPR.  I am a law abiding driver who had insurance and tax. Beginning of August, whilst driving down Deansgate, we were hit from the rear.  We were sat at RED traffic lights. The person who hit us was "Looking at the units". Basically not watching where he was going and rammed us into the car in front.  He did over £4000 worth of damage and the car was written off.  He had NO INSURANCE.
 
If all the Police cars had ANPR, then he would have been stopped before the accident.  Unfortunately for me, we have to go through the Motor Insurers Bureau (MIB) to claim for injuries and my excess (my insurance company have paid out on the value of my car) so unfortunately for all of you reading this in the UK, you will be paying me, through your insurance premiums, for his stupidity.
 
Like I said, I wish they all had ANPR. As for these on the roadside, how often will they be checked? Currently the speed cameras are checked / made live on an irregular basis so I can't see it working too well.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Steak ... dated:29 September 2011
Hi Chatso,
I am fully aware of purpose of the ANPR camera maybe I should make myself clearer. The latest design of the ANPR is capable of doing speed monitoring and yes the rules at present state that a sign must be posted. The rules can be changed any time and most people ignore them anyway because the signs are left up permanently even when it is a mobile camera area, but I think that they will only change the rules when they decide to use the concealed cameras. I am totally in favour of speed camera's and ANPR, not so long ago I just considered them a money making racket but now I think they are needed.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Chatso ... dated:29 September 2011
Steak - not sure an apology is required as I am simply dealing in fact.
 
If the police wanted to use the ANPR as a means to do an average speed check and therefore prosecute people for speeding (rightly or wrongly) they are obliged to point out that the cameras are being used for that purpose.
 
Assuming you are a law abiding motorist and have appropriate documentation (eg are you insured; do you have tax) then this technology should be applauded as it looks to catch out those people cheating the system.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:29 September 2011
"it will be difficult to keep sat navs or snoopers updated"
 
If you have a scanning device (rather than relying on co-ordinates in a database) surely it will pick up the signal as soon as the device is activated regardless of where it's located.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Divad ... dated:29 September 2011
Are there any 'Cats Eyes' left in Urmston, if so where?
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Steak ... dated:29 September 2011
Chatso,
Not being sceptical at all, ANPR camera's can be used for checking speed over a set distance when two are located and the cats eyes camera's are being trialed at the moment. All my statement was based on fact so a apology would be fully acceptable.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by AnotherPete ... dated:29 September 2011
Ed - These aren't speed cameras.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Ed ... dated:29 September 2011
I've no objection to cameras checking my speed, and I don't see why I should be warned about their location.
 
I'd prefer they were hidden as this means motorists tempted to speed could never be sure there wasn't a camera watching. Telling motorists where the cameras are is as ridiculous as forcing plain clothes undercover policemen to wear hi-viz jackets with the word 'Police' on the back, and only helps those motorists who are inclined to speed when they know they aren't being watched.
 
Also, signs telling people where cameras are might encourage sudden braking, which as we all know is why some people claim  cameras cause accidents. Hidden cameras solve this problem too. 
 
For motorists who stick to speed limits all cameras, hidden or otherwise, are an irrelevance.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Chatso ... dated:29 September 2011
Steak, if you are going to be sceptical please at least base your scepticism on fact.
 
The ANPR technology is not used for average speed check purposes. Firstly, to do an average speed check it has to be over a set distance so 2 cameras would be required, and there are cheaper options than using ANPR technology for capturing average speeds. Secondly, the police are obliged to warn motorists where a fixed camera is in place.
 
ANPR technology is aimed at tracking illegal drivers on the road. It can spot via the number plate cars that don't have insurance or tax; or where a car is being driven that is registered to a banned driver.
 
Many police cars have mobile ANPR cameras. This is a positive step for deterring illegal drivers and all law abiding motorists should welcome it.
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Steak ... dated:29 September 2011
I have also been told only yesterday that these are also part of the average speed camera setup. But don't be fooled because you will not see the new camera's they may be fitted in the cats eyes and it will be difficult to keep sat navs or snoopers updated. Oh boy the joys of motoring. 
Re: New roadside cameras in Trafford
Reply posted by Graz ... dated:28 September 2011
Maybe they can advertise them on the fairly pointless information display signs that seem to forever say something about a football match or wearing a seatbelt. Proverb of the day would be good.
Previous pageTop of the page